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Do You Use a Yak Sail?

Poll ended at Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:28 pm

Wind Paddle
1
3%
Pacific Action (commercial)
3
10%
Other Commercial Design
0
No votes
Umbrella
0
No votes
DIY (or copied design)
2
7%
Looking at getting one
6
21%
No, Paddles are good enough for me
17
59%
 
Total votes: 29
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glint
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Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:48 pm

How many of us use sails ?
Is any one up for a fun sailing day?
It could be interesting to see the different rigs and compare how they work.
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DogFish
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Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:59 pm

I'll be keen if you want to come and do it in Taranaki - home of 20 Knot South-Westerly sea breezes. ]:) ]:)
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Hairy Little Dwarf
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Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:32 pm

PA clone for me.

Made two so far, and they work well with a few little tweaks.

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/grantgla ... tssail.htm
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Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:46 pm

I've got a pa that I use lots on the sea kayak, and reciently installed on he ultra too.
Love it, always up for a sail glint ;)
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Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:48 pm

I ended up with one after talking to Jeff Sheppard from Ozzie and seeing how he had his set up and how he used it, thought I'd give it a go, my maiden voyage was out at Matai Bay last weekend, the weather was awful but one bonus was that the wind was blowing and it was blowing in the right direction to blow us home so thought I'd give it a go :)

Not sure you get the sense of speed but here's a video

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Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:32 am

looks great mental,sure beats paddling at the end of the day. :) i noticed that you trimmed the sail quite a bit and were holding on to the sheets. you might like to try running the sheets around the back of your seat position. :?: that way they are out of the way . the inherent friction keeps the tension on the sail and when you shorten one side the other automatically lengthens the other to compensate :?: this basically gives you a hands off setup :y: i utilized the factory fitted guides to run my sheets thru and they work well on the 4.5 i am not sure how your yak differs from the 4.5 .
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:34 am

....based on your GPS, what sort of speed were you doing ??

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Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:10 am

Hainesy wrote:....based on your GPS, what sort of speed were you doing ??
Up to about 6-7 knots
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:14 am

To make that clip perfect, you'd pull out a thermos and pour a coffee to slurp on the way home.

I've had speeds of 9kts on Red Dwarf :tmi: , and 7 on the Battleyak. Did one trip all the way back from Russell to Doves Bay without touching the paddle once.

My trim is via a couple of dog clips to the seat saddles and adjusted with a prusik - set and forget.

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Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:17 am

Mental wrote:
Hainesy wrote:....based on your GPS, what sort of speed were you doing ??
Up to about 6-7 knots
Not bad at all !!
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:49 am

I've both a Pacific Action and a Wind Paddle, and have done numerous trips on Bream Bay using a golf umbrella in the early days ("wind busters" busted, need to use one of the expensive ones with the baffles in the top). To be fair though, I mostly paddle because I already have too much kit on deck (damn TAS :headbang: :lol: ), even though the superb Wind Paddle takes so little space when stowed.
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:57 am

glint wrote:looks great mental,sure beats paddling at the end of the day. :) i noticed that you trimmed the sail quite a bit and were holding on to the sheets. you might like to try running the sheets around the back of your seat position. :?: that way they are out of the way
I have cleats fitted to each side that will hold the sheet, I was only really holding on to them as it was my first time with the sail and wanted to at least "feel" like I was in control :lol: When I used it the next day I popped it up, locked it in and started fishing :y: bit of a pain to drop when you hook up though :lol:
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:20 am

Limitless wrote:I've both a Pacific Action and a Wind Paddle,
What's your opinion on the Wind Paddle? I like the concept due to it's lack of masts intruding into the workarea, but collapsing and folding seems to be a likely hassle as it appears to be attached to the foredeck?
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:44 am

Hairy Little Dwarf wrote:
Limitless wrote:I've both a Pacific Action and a Wind Paddle,
What's your opinion on the Wind Paddle? I like the concept due to it's lack of masts intruding into the workarea, but collapsing and folding seems to be a likely hassle as it appears to be attached to the foredeck?
Funny you should ask the question as I have just come off their website looking at them and was thinking exactly the same thing !!....The other thing of interest, is that the dealers they nominate for NZ dont even list them on their websites !!....by my calcs the Scout will cost around $200 incl a bit of freight ex the USA....

UPDATE: Paddler Zone have the Adventurer on their site at $270 plus P&P....
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:12 pm

What's your opinion on the Wind Paddle? I like the concept due to it's lack of masts intruding into the workarea, but collapsing and folding seems to be a likely hassle as it appears to be attached to the foredeck?[/quote]

Funny you should ask the question as I have just come off their website looking at them and was thinking exactly the same thing !!....The only thing of interest, is that the dealers they nominate for NZ dont even list them on their websites !!....by my calcs the Scout will cost around $200 incl a bit of freight....[/quote]
Do it Hainsey .just do it ,, then can i try it ??? :angel: ;)
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:40 pm

I have seen the wind paddles on TM at ariound $260

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Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:36 am

I will have a demonstration PAcific action sail set up on a Prowler demo boat For those who wish to try one out
Please Call to arrange a demo

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Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:04 am

Hairy Little Dwarf wrote:
Limitless wrote:I've both a Pacific Action and a Wind Paddle,
What's your opinion on the Wind Paddle? I like the concept due to it's lack of masts intruding into the workarea, but collapsing and folding seems to be a likely hassle as it appears to be attached to the foredeck?
I've been using mine on the Profish 440 by either attaching to a pair of saddles just forward of the Scotties (on my older yak, haven't got around to adding the saddles on the new one), or when in a hurry I clip under the lacing hooks for the front of the center well cover. The first method works best as there's no interferance form the Scotties, but I have to shift my butt forward onto the softbait well cover to reach. Easy enough and only takes a minute.

The second method I can do from the seat and works well when I'm not doing long reaches under sail, just using it in short bursts. I can then get it totally off the deck and jammed in the pocket on the rear well cover so the deck is totally clear for fishing action. The down side is there's some interference from the Scotties and rods need to be shifted to the back.

I've just aquired a new Pacific Action sail, and now I've finished working up the hard front cover for the Profish 440 I'm going to fit the sail accross the front well and try some performance testing of both sail systems. It'll be interesting to see what the results are.

The next trick will be getting up-wind without paddling... :geek:
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Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:10 am

Limitless wrote:
Hairy Little Dwarf wrote:
Limitless wrote:I've both a Pacific Action and a Wind Paddle,
What's your opinion on the Wind Paddle? I like the concept due to it's lack of masts intruding into the workarea, but collapsing and folding seems to be a likely hassle as it appears to be attached to the foredeck?
The next trick will be getting up-wind without paddling... :geek:

Umm Limitless...its called a boat !! :lol:
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Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:24 am

Hainesy wrote:
Umm Limitless...its called a boat !! :lol:
:lol: :lol: Actually, now that you've mentioned it... My brother has just purchased a little rotomolded Smartwave runabout with a with a 25HP "paddle" on it. I'm in the process of training him to come at a radio call and tow me wherever I want to go, and then getting at least 2km away so he's not in the road :lol: :lol:

He even went to the trouble of adding the Lowrance HDS8 so I can snooze while he finds the fish :y: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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The historic fleet: too many to mention... the adventures since 1974 have seen lots of kayak carnage
Find me at Viking Kayaks in Matamata... you gotta love our sport!

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