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Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:27 pm

...."I'm a believer "... ( sung with a Shrek like voice :D )...

Pretty much ever since I started kayak fishing some 8+ years ago, I've always softbaited when targeting snapper.... and with a lot of success I might add ! I've never used cut baits off the yak, and had a bit of a play with micro jigs and similar with little to no success...

So when the "slider type" rigs hit the market I was pretty sceptical and pretty much convinced myself they were more for catching the angler not the fish !

All of that changed over the past two weekends when I managed to get out twice at Sullivan's Bay.

Last weekend was pretty good on soft baits, but seeing as I had a "slider rig" with me, I thought what the hell, and gave it a go.... surprisingly (to me !) I hooked a couple of mid 30cm snaps.... :?: :?: :?: ..mmmm ..maybe there something to these !

Today at Sullies with the wind picking up and a lot of drift I couldn't buy a bite on the softies, so I shelved that gear and decided to use the morning for tackle evaluation and fished most of the morning with an orange slider rig..... I used the zoom function on my Helix sounder and every time I saw a fish mark, I dropped the slider rig in freespool off a K Labs micro jig rod and a Shimano Calcutta reel....

I lost count of the number of fish I landed but it would have been an easy dozen, including this one that went 12.5 lbs and 74cm.....all but one were of legal size....

Interestingly enough I bumped into a few new guys on the water who were struggling to catch anything, and as I was now the "resident expert" a couple of them followed my lead and had some success as well !

Must admit I'm now a bit of a convert and like they say, if you're going to give a new fishing method a try, it pays to do it 100% and see what happens !
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Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:02 pm

Nice snapper and TR. I'm a big fan of micro jigs and lures.

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Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:22 pm

Interesting Hainesy, I've tried a few other methods, but always end up back at SB. Might have to give the 100% effort a go to know for certain.

Love to learn more about the "K Labels micro jig rod", that a new brand :)
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Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:33 pm

Ha ha.... auto correct !!
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Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:22 pm

Nice fish matey :y:

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Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:50 pm

I usually keep a slider in the rod holder on the left while I softbait on the right.

Both bases covered :)

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Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:26 pm

Good stuff Hainesy. I fished with slow jigs almost exclusively for 3 years and think I caught more than my share of fish. Just got back in to soft baiting for when the fish are in shallower water, but my "believer" moment has come recently in the form of micro and slow pitch jigs. Bloody hell, do they catch! Just don't tell anyone :D
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:42 am

I'm one of the newbies Hainsey met yesterday. I happened to come up alongside of him just as he caught that monster, so I'm now going to learn a bit about these "sliders".
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:18 am

I am a soft bait addict - but you can’t beat jigs in spring.

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Nice mate, how is the wrist holding up? This waiting around "resting" post-op is driving me nuts! ;)
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:02 am

dedant wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:40 am
Nice mate, how is the wrist holding up? This waiting around "resting" post-op is driving me nuts! ;)
Not great mate !.... not nearly as good as
I expected and hoped !... back to the surgeon at the end of the month
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:52 am

Bugger. I'm not confident my elbow will be good as promised either, It's still clicking and grindinding under the loose as backslab cast. :sweat:
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:25 pm

Well thats awesome. Good on you for giving it a crack. :)

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Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:22 pm

Cracker fish.
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Good to see the old dog learning a few new tricks ! ;)

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Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:18 pm

Yes loving my sliders too. I tend to try both SB and slow jigs out early and often get a bit of an indication which is getting the fish fired up more. Often find one method (SB or slow jig) out fishes the other by a reasonable margin for what ever reason.

In general terms I try to cover both bases by using one of the two following methods:

1 - If soft baits are firing I actively fish a SB out the front with a slow jig deployed on a loose drag directly below the kayak sitting in the rod holder.
2 - If the slow jigs are firinf I more actively fish these and will often throw a 1oz SB out the back and drag it through the sand on a light drag.

One aspect of slow jigging I have come to enjoy is the idea of using your fish finder to identify and target individual fish or small schools. If I spot good sign on the sounder whilst on the move i will use my paddle to put on the brakes, back paddle on top of the sign and drop my slow jig right on their heads. very satisfying having spotted an individual fish, parked up on top of it, targeting it and catching it on a lure.

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Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:30 pm

owaldock wrote:Yes loving my sliders too. I tend to try both SB and slow jigs out early and often get a bit of an indication which is getting the fish fired up more. Often find one method (SB or slow jig) out fishes the other by a reasonable margin for what ever reason.

In general terms I try to cover both bases by using one of the two following methods:

1 - If soft baits are firing I actively fish a SB out the front with a slow jig deployed on a loose drag directly below the kayak sitting in the rod holder.
2 - If the slow jigs are firinf I more actively fish these and will often throw a 1oz SB out the back and drag it through the sand on a light drag.

One aspect of slow jigging I have come to enjoy is the idea of using your fish finder to identify and target individual fish or small schools. If I spot good sign on the sounder whilst on the move i will use my paddle to put on the brakes, back paddle on top of the sign and drop my slow jig right on their heads. very satisfying having spotted an individual fish, parked up on top of it, targeting it and catching it on a lure.

Orson
Thanks for the tips. I think I will try this on my next outing


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Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:26 pm

Great little discussion line you have opened up hear Hainesy - Beautiful looking snapper there.

How crucial is it to have the right rod/reel set up to get sliders and/or microjigs working properly? Up until now, I have essentially just been a dedicated SB enthusiast too, and have usually run with 2 rods carrying different weight jig heads so that depending what depth I'm in as I drift/paddle I have the right tool ready to go. Thinking about lashing one of the microjigs or sliders that have been lurking (unused) in the tackle box to one of the SB rods and mixing it up a little. My question is, until I save up my pocket money and buy a more specialist set up, how good a job will my Egg beater reels/7' Spin Rods make of getting the jigs and sliders working like they should?

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Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:39 am

Good question Achilles.... all the promo videos etc claim that you'll get the "best" results using an overhead type reel and a soft tip rod. Based on my experience the reel freespools better than a spinning reel and the soft rod tip allows a smoother / soft action on the jig.
I'd suggest this logic is better for micro jigs than for slider style lures ....

BUT....in saying all that.... different things work for different people and at different times and not every body is able to have multiple choice rod and reel combos..... so... I'd suggest dragging the lures and jigs out of the packets where they definitely won't catch fish and giving it a go !
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:12 am

I do a lot of this kind of fishing and much prefer overhead reels as you can stay in contact with the lure on the drop. You can do this with spinning reels by holding the line between your thumb and forefinger, but it's not as good. I started out with a stiff rod, but have gone soft in old age :$ Been using on OA Bender since the boat show. It's very soft. Don't think it gives me any more hook-ups, but I seem to bump off fewer fish.

As with most things in fishing, you can spend as little, or as much as you want. If you're just trying it out, your soft bait setup will be just fine.
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