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Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:26 pm

Hey fellow kayakers,

How many of you have tried multiple paddles (each at a different time ofcorse :rofl: ). I currently use an old Alloy 2-piece paddle.

I normally fish within 2km from shore but can be a total of 5-10km on an average day paddling when you factor in moving spots, paddling back and forth if drifting etc. I also am wanting to do some longer paddles (~8km each way roughly).

What you you recommend? What should I be considering/looking out for? I've never been paddle shopping before - always just used the default one which came with the kayak.




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Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:45 pm

Buy a length of Western Red Cedar and make yourself a Greenland paddle.
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Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:54 pm

I upgraded from a one piece fibreglass Carlisle paddle to a two piece carbon fibre Propelz Venus. I bought it online without testing it first. I like that the new paddle is easier to transport, adjustable, and super light. But the blade is a longer touring shape which takes a bit of getting used to.


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Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:01 pm

Blazer60 wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:45 pm
Buy a length of Western Red Cedar and make yourself a Greenland paddle.
https://sites.google.com/site/kayakamf/ ... nd-paddles

Unfortunately if you do make your own you are libel to end up with a dozen of them..... Cost? About $20 or $25 if you add the cost of linseed oil.

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Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:23 pm

these greenland paddles look neat, useless at woodworking myself ;(

how much do these masterpieces sell for?
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Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:20 pm

how much do these masterpieces sell for?

by eynon
I paid $250 for my first one from a fella who seems to have turned his passion into a commercial operation and the same paddle is now is an ice cream shy of $800. They are beautiful but acknowledging the craftsmanship that goes into one, that is an eye watering amount of money for a stick. Given your capacity to do so, make one. There is a company in Hamilton that manufactures various paddles and waka. I believe they made one for someone in the forum at a competitive price.
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Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:37 pm

I was priviledged enough to use a Sawyer sea Feather V-Lam onetime, beautiful . I would have one of my own if but for a Lotto win that hasn't happened yet, :)
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Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:37 pm

eynon wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:23 pm
these Greenland paddles look neat, useless at woodworking myself ;(
Obviously you didn't have a mother who knew anything. As I had a mother who could fix anything, mechanical or electrical, good at cabinetmaking level of woodworking, a daughter (very good metal worker) who has taught her kids to be practical, it is the mothers who should be the teachers. My partner wanted a kayak, built her own.

BTW, who sharpens your pencils? Ties your fishing lines? We're talking cutting a bit of wood, not cabinetmaking level of skill.

The Sawyer Sea Feather V-Lam paddle looks to be a very ordinary paddle, not light and definitely not a Greenland paddle. They also go on about "low angle", meaning "inefficient" paddling. They are also far, far, too long. If I had been given one I'd definitely be selling it.

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Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:06 pm

Mac50L wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:37 pm
eynon wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:23 pm
these Greenland paddles look neat, useless at woodworking myself ;(
We're talking cutting a bit of wood, not cabinetmaking level of skill.
I've made cabinets, re-clad a house, replaced windows, hung doors, built sheds and changed the roof pitch & wall height on a garage.

But I wouldn't tackle a Greenland paddle.

It would end up misshapen, but in different ways at each end. Some people can pick up a hand plane and get something right and symmetrical by eye. Others just can't.
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Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:51 pm

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I've made cabinets, re-clad a house, replaced windows, hung doors, built sheds and changed the roof pitch & wall height on a garage.

But I wouldn't tackle a Greenland paddle.

It would end up misshapen, but in different ways at each end.
How? We're taking a plank of wood (~20 mm thick), drawing a lines (about 4 mm apart) along the middle of the edges and one down the middle. We're planning down to about those lines. Nothing "by eye". All "cut to the lines" - simple. The off-cuts from the sides of the loom (handle) are used to thicken up the loom (handle) and done using a handsaw cutting along the marked lines. Nothing "by eye".

We're not working to fractions of a mm accuracy. It is all "about right". You'll never notice differences between blades. Some people have their paddle blades twisted (feathered) and don't even notice the oddness of such a thing.

Never heard a good reason for feathering either.


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Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:31 am

Some people can use hand tools well, others can't. People who can, usually don't understand why some people can't.

If you gave me a straight piece of timber with line drawn on it, I literally could not make straight cut with a hand-saw.
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:34 am

MikeAqua wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:31 am
Some people can use hand tools well, others can't. People who can, usually don't understand why some people can't.

If you gave me a straight piece of timber with line drawn on it, I literally could not make straight cut with a hand-saw.
You say, "I've made cabinets,"

How?

Either you have done all the things you say or they were rubbish when you finished them.

BTW, the handsaw cuts required aren't straight anyway.

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Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:38 pm

Mac50L wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:34 am
MikeAqua wrote:
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Some people can use hand tools well, others can't. People who can, usually don't understand why some people can't.

If you gave me a straight piece of timber with line drawn on it, I literally could not make straight cut with a hand-saw.
You say, "I've made cabinets,"

How?

Either you have done all the things you say or they were rubbish when you finished them.

BTW, the handsaw cuts required aren't straight anyway.
Cabinets are made of rectangles and squares. I use a fence (guide) for cutting. Run the tool along the fence taking my time and its piece of cake.

Pocket screws for joining the squares together.

But going free-hand I'm hopeless.

If you are passing through Blenheim drop me a PM and I can give you and address where you can view some of my handiwork from the street.

A couple of photos of some of my more slap-dash projects below. Both made from re-used materials, so a littler rough in places
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:39 pm

Mac50L. Why don't you sell your service to those people who can't?

I want to make a greendland paddle myself but since i know nuts about woodworking, i will stick with my current glass paddle.

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Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:51 pm

UrbanAngler wrote:
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Mac50L. Why don't you sell your service to those people who can't?
OK, see you here on next Monday. We're going to the Highland Games on Saturday otherwise it would be sooner.
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I want to make a Greendland paddle myself but since i know nuts about woodworking,
So? A good chance to learn. You'll never learn without trying. We've got such a range of tools to make life easy and yet the Inuits managed with basically nothing.

It is attitude, all in the mind. What MikeAqua can do is more difficult than making a Greenland paddle yet he is convinced he can't - it's all in the mind.

It is also probably all down to a poor education system and poor parenting too. Not having mothers who'd show you how.

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Damn! I just gave away an old draw knife to hang on a wall for a display.I could've used that ( when my elbow is fixed) . When my wife believes a working area is more important in a home than extra bedrooms " in case a child needs to visit" or a second lounge , I might get to try my hand at things I've only wanted to do in the past. Time on this side of the earth for me however is running out I fear, so store bought it is :(
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:49 pm

Mac50L wrote:
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It is attitude, all in the mind. What MikeAqua can do is more difficult than making a Greenland paddle yet he is convinced he can't - it's all in the mind.
I simply know what I can and can't do. Anything (drawing, cutting, carving, sharpening) where I can use a physical guide of some sort - I'm good. Freehand I'm hopeless. I just lack the dexterity. Not sure if that's in the mind the eye or the wider neural system Possibly all three but it's real.

Below is a typically poor effort by me at cutting curves. You can see that the cut out for the chill pod is uneven with gaps visible around the left edge of the pod near the pointy end. I actually had a good line to follow, just failed to follow it correctly with the jigsaw. There are many more little gaps, they just aren't visible in the photo angle.

Can't be good at everything :)
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:16 pm

MikeAqua wrote:
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I actually had a good line to follow, just failed to follow it correctly with the jigsaw.
Jigsaw? I won't claim to be able to do any better with one of those.

Guides? Use guides to work along. Where I split the two pieces, use a saw bench with guides. Carving down, use guides to work against.

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dedant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:22 pm
Damn! I just gave away an old draw knife to hang on a wall for a display.
What!!! Where did it go?
dedant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:22 pm
Time on this side of the earth for me however is running out I fear, so store bought it is :(
OK but you are a kid compared to me who is more than a couple of decades older.
If it wasn't for all those computers to fix (reputation follows those who do?), music to learn, other bits and pieces that need making/fixing, I'd get on with that spare plank of western red cedar plank and make paddle number, errr, 10? 11? 12?

Even worse, the grass is growing as you look at it.....

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Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:53 am

dedant wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:22 pm
Damn! I just gave away an old draw knife to hang on a wall for a display.
What!!! Where did it go?

Faigans Cafe, Millars Flat, Otago. ( one day I hope to visit it myself) :)
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