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Thu May 05, 2011 9:25 pm

I just had a read of this and thought it may be of interest to the forum members.

http://www.predictweather.com/ArticleSh ... &type=home" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Thu May 05, 2011 9:44 pm

Thanks for that dougie , im quite interested in this and how well it works .
Ive heard good things about it before :y:

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Thu May 05, 2011 10:12 pm

Yep I'm a big believer in bite times.
You have to take a few things into consideration i.e estuaries, large harbours and the likes are more about current flow/tides etc, but in saying that, tides are moon related :lol:
It effects a lot more things than just bite times although I'll probably get shot down for saying that.
Could end up an interesting thread :lol:
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Fri May 06, 2011 8:07 am

You know if that had anyone elses name on it (other than Ken Rings) it would be a lot more believable...

Um - I semi agree with this but not 100%. He seems to be merging a bunch of factors together to strengthen his argument. Unfortunately - if I was to wait for the perfect bite time lining up with health, opportunity, weather etc I would go fishing once a year if that.

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Fri May 06, 2011 8:32 am

Here's another article on the same subject that was in the Herald a little while back


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Fri May 06, 2011 9:07 am

Paul in NZ wrote:You know if that had anyone elses name on it (other than Ken Rings) it would be a lot more believable...

Um - I semi agree with this but not 100%. He seems to be merging a bunch of factors together to strengthen his argument. Unfortunately - if I was to wait for the perfect bite time lining up with health, opportunity, weather etc I would go fishing once a year if that.
Exactly. I agree with what he says, but its not the only time you catch fish. I used to try and line it up but on occation it would stop me going out. So now I go when I can and enjoy it.
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Fri May 06, 2011 11:23 am

The more you believe in Bite Time the more it knocks your confidence when all the "ducks" don't line up. I go out whenever I can and almost never come home without something in the bin. I also subscribe to the belief that one has good days and bad days and leave it at that. There is more to fishing success than being a slave to Bite Time.

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Fri May 06, 2011 3:57 pm

rainbow wrote:The more you believe in Bite Time the more it knocks your confidence when all the "ducks" don't line up. I go out whenever I can and almost never come home without something in the bin. I also subscribe to the belief that one has good days and bad days and leave it at that. There is more to fishing success than being a slave to Bite Time.

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Although I do take bite times into account,I agree with what your saying there Rainbow.
Some thing the bite time booklets and sites often don't tell you is how strong the bite is going to be.
For this I've found that Bill Hohepa's Maori fishing calendar along with how well my goldfish are feeding gives me a fairly good idea of how things will go in that department.
I catch fish almost every time I go out,but the length of the bite time can get down to no more than a 10-15 minite window on those days that the Maori calendar says the fishing will be poor.
Also when my Gold fish are being lazy about feeding,the ocean fish in my area will be much the same.
The popular opinion where I usualy fish is that the fishing is best up to about 1 hour after full tide,,which coincides with the bite times more or less spot on,,,but the Manukau also fishes well at any time of day or tide,,,if your in the right place ;)
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Fri May 06, 2011 4:01 pm

Pawprints wrote:
rainbow wrote:The more you believe in Bite Time the more it knocks your confidence when all the "ducks" don't line up. I go out whenever I can and almost never come home without something in the bin. I also subscribe to the belief that one has good days and bad days and leave it at that. There is more to fishing success than being a slave to Bite Time.

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Although I do take bite times into account,I agree with what your saying there Rainbow.
Some thing the bite time booklets and sites often don't tell you is how strong the bite is going to be.
For this I've found that Bill Hohepa's Maori fishing calendar along with how well my goldfish are feeding gives me a fairly good idea of how things will go in that department.
I catch fish almost every time I go out,but the length of the bite time can get down to no more than a 10-15 minite window on those days that the Maori calendar says the fishing will be poor.
Also when my Gold fish are being lazy about feeding,the ocean fish in my area will be much the same.
The popular opinion where I usualy fish is that the fishing is best up to about 1 hour after full tide,,which coincides with the bite times more or less spot on,,,but the Manukau also fishes well at any time of day or tide,,,if your in the right place ;)

Hmmm...maybe the new 4.3 needs a place to put a gold fish bowl ??.. :wasntme:
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Fri May 06, 2011 5:20 pm

I also go out when the weather and time suits. Just because the bite times aren't that great, doesn't mean I won't go out. Just because the bite time isn't flash, it doesn't mean you won't catch fish, however you probably won't do as well.
In saying that, I won't travel all the way up North for a comp if the moon phase is bad.
As Pawprints said earlier, it's more about the length of the bite time. On a bad day it may only be 10 to 15 minutes, however on a good day the bite times almost run into the next. Most of the time the charts only show the main bite time, which is after the high tide, however I believe there is a sequence of 4 bite times. Snapper over 20lb don't seem to bite at the same time that the smaller snapper do.
The bite times that I have noticed, are mainly apparent with snapper and don't seem to affect gurnard or blue cod in the same way. If gurnard and cod are there, they tend to feed. I haven't done enough study (translate as not caught enough :lol: ) on game fish to make comment.
Bite times are also dependent on longitude and latitude, so some charts might not suit your area. Also if you use a watch that has moon phases/bite times on it and you don't set it correctly, then it will be wrong. ;)

Just to add something of interest, the TKFC comp weekend has always been chosen by moon phases for the weather and even though the weather this year wasn't great, it wasn't predicted to be as there were no good moon phases for the weekends around that time. The moon phases predicted that the weather was going to be better during the week, which it was.


Another thing to note is that nations all over the world, had their own ways of fishing and predicting weather (and much more) by the moon phases for centuries, long before they new other nations existed. Early explorers wouldn't set off if the weather was predicted to be bad.

I keep an open mind and with so many nations for centuries predicting weather, fishing, gardening, planting crops etc by the moon, it's too much of a coincidence to discount it.

Now we have all the technology and still can't get it right :lol
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Fri May 06, 2011 5:55 pm

Big tides, big bite times, thats my chart... but I will still go out and fish small tides and catch fish.... A :^)

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Fri May 06, 2011 7:57 pm

I certainly beleive there is something to be gained from useing " bite times " .
That doesnt mean i dont go out whenever i damn well feel like it , even if the wind and tides arn't good .
It just means the fishing may not be hot .
So you dont have to be a slave to " bite times " but its still a useful tool .

Cheers KK :)

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Fri May 06, 2011 9:32 pm

I rather try to understand why fish feed more actively at certain times than simply look at a bite timetable. It is well known that first and last light are such times, irrespective of the moon cycle. However, the most important bite-stimulating factor seems to be current, which acts like a conveyor belt that transports food, starting from benthic nutrients to tiny planktons, all the way up the food chain. Little wonder the dinner bell is ringing.

In many parts of the coast currents are produced by tidal movements, which in turn are produced by the pull of the moon. Here on the West Coast currents are largely wind driven and their direction and strength can change at any time.

When I fish up north I do take notice of tides and the currents they set up. However, I have learnt that even when the tidal currents are not strong I can still find places where the currents are strong such as around points, reefs and narrow channels. Fish, in particular snapper line up there like drift-feeding trout in a river.

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