Heavy trace on wax wings?

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Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:01 pm

So I lost of few $ worth of wax wings to the dreaded 'coutta at the weekend. I was using 30lb trace. I love catching kahawai in the yak and waxwings are my go to lure. I think they are so successful because at the right paddle speed they vibrate the line noticeably.

The only way I can think of to avoid more losses is to use a heavier trace material, maybe even wire trace. But I'm concerned about the effect on the lures action.

Can anyone suggest a trace heavy enough to resist 'coutta, but supple enough to allow the lure freedom of movement?
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Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:35 am

There's no easy solution for those toothy robbers, and I've seen 100lb fluoro sliced through by them.
I'm guessing you are using the 88mm Waxwings, which are quite a light lure. A nylon trace that is heavy enough to survive the teeth will certainly inhibit the action of the lure.
One solution maybe a bit heavier leader or a double of your existing leader inside a length of knot sleeve with a Mustad Fastach swivel at the lure end. The Fastach will help preserve the lure action and the knot sleeve will protect the trace from teeth.
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Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:42 am

What about a short length of 1.5mm steel trace?

I've seen that used fishing for trout, when pike are also around.
Nemesis wrote:There's no easy solution for those toothy robbers, and I've seen 100lb fluoro sliced through by them.
I'm guessing you are using the 88mm Waxwings, which are quite a light lure. A nylon trace that is heavy enough to survive the teeth will certainly inhibit the action of the lure.
One solution maybe a bit heavier leader or a double of your existing leader inside a length of knot sleeve with a Mustad Fastach swivel at the lure end. The Fastach will help preserve the lure action and the knot sleeve will protect the trace from teeth.
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Also make sure any swivels in you use are black.
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Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:09 am

Steel traces are used in others parts of the world and fish are still caught. If the lure is connected via a large snap link that doesn't restrict it's movement, I don't think it makes too much difference. If you're really worried about it, there is supple steel trace material available in Europe. It is so supple, you can actually tie knots in it.

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Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:00 pm

MikeAqua wrote:What about a short length of 1.5mm steel trace?

I've seen that used fishing for trout, when pike are also around.
Come back a bit from that if you are going to be using steel, sounds like shark trace... 0.5mm is 150lbs for the Surecatch Steel Trace. also if you are going down the steel path, make sure you use copper crimps, not aluminium.
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Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:44 pm

....and then the snakey toothey buggers will hit the swivel where it joins the mainline ... :@
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Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:35 pm

Thanks, 1.5mm was the lightest I have seen but 0.5mm would make more sense.
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MikeAqua wrote:What about a short length of 1.5mm steel trace?

I've seen that used fishing for trout, when pike are also around.
Come back a bit from that if you are going to be using steel, sounds like shark trace... 0.5mm is 150lbs for the Surecatch Steel Trace. also if you are going down the steel path, make sure you use copper crimps, not aluminium.
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Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:37 pm

I currently have my waxwings on 45cm mono traces with a (black) swivel at each end and the swivels don't seem to get hit.
AntN wrote:....and then the snakey toothey buggers will hit the swivel where it joins the mainline ... :@
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Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:48 pm

i use waxwings as my go to lure these days as well and they are great. havent yet had an issue with the silver snakes yet but no doubt it will happen one day. i just use 50lb supple trace to a swivel on the main line.
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Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:20 pm

I'm going to try steel trace on one and nothing on the other an see if the steel affects catch rate.
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Kahawai are relatively stupid fish when it come to lures, I don't think it will effect the catch at all especially if you're using fine enough wire.
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Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:40 am

Ordered some 0.5mm wire from Marine Deals. Has a coating that enables it to be welded together with a lighter so no crimps needed. Not sure of colour, hopefully black not silver.
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Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:49 pm

It's black.
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:17 pm

Great. Ordered Friday PM and delivered in Nelson lunch time today.

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Nemesis wrote:It's black.
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Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:02 pm

How did you get on with the black trace from Marine Deals? Had a similar loss of a waxwing yesterday so thinking about going down the same route...

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Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:59 pm

The few times I've remembered to try it I haven't had singer hit on it or the control (no trace) lure and then when I switched to just the control lure still no interest.

So .... inconclusive

But I can say it it doesn't affect the lure's action at all.
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