Greenland Paddle

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PeterNZ
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:18 pm

Hi people,

I did a search and found a discussion from 2012 about these paddles. A guy I know, Max Love is making those now. He is an excellent wood worker, you should see his kayak he made. Anyway, he says he gets them down to 600 grams. He will hopefully show his paddles at The Old Packhouse Market in Kerikeri in about 2 weeks time. The things he is telling me about them made me curious. I am quite keen to try one. He says they are more efficient and not as hard on the shoulders. He told me he had a guy who says with the Greenland he can go for a whole day, something he couldn't do before. Are they really that good?

Here is the message he sent me and some pictures:

"I am shaping my paddles out of Western Red Cedar from British Columbia. They are very light ( around 700 gms ) springy
and strong. I hand select the timber for every paddle and custom make each paddle to a size that suits the person using it.
I shape them by hand then I sand and continue to do a final shaping with a 400 to 1200 grit sandpaper to a very fine smooth finish and then coated with 6 coats of pure Tung Oil. "
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He hasn't given me prices yet. His contact details are
Max Love.
email; lovelymaxwell@gmail.com
ph 021 263 5524

Cheers

Peter
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:12 pm

There's a few guys on here that make them including Hairy Little Dwarf..(HLD)

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Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:29 pm

is this apaddle that gets used like a regular one or a paddle like the indian canoe paddles ?
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:08 pm

Used like a standard paddle.
They have the same blade area as a regular paddle, but it's a progressive catch as the paddle is immersed, as opposed to the instant power-on of a regular. This is why they are so much kinder to shoulders/arms and wrists. They are also totally silent, with no 'plop' or splash.

I haven't used a regular paddle since I made my first one and regularly do 40-50km days. It pushes the Hornet along at 4kts (7.5kmh) cruise, and that's not the sleekest of craft.

PeterNZ, When we finally catch up, you can borrow mine for a trial. I'll make a point of seeking Max out at the market, would love to see his work (And it probably explains why I couldn't find any decent Cedar stock when I was looking to make another one a month ago :lol: )
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Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:24 am

Its soooo much sleeker than the wavewalk. I basically fish off a barge, an open fridge, if you will.

Either way I'm intrigued and will see if I can find him at the market in a week or so ( being up there for a rest and relaxation and all )
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Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:24 pm

Thanks guys my curiosity is growing. I will ask Max when he will be at the market and will update this post here with the date.

By the way, if anyone visits the Old Packhouse Market in Kerikeri make sure to say hi. I am the baker at Flour Power <end of commercials> :angel:

Cheers

Peter

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Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:41 pm

One of our group said she had a brother who was a woodworker and he would make one for her. I lent her a couple of mine for trial. She had problems with them - they didn't cause blisters that she gets with her usual paddle. She had problems doing rolls - too easy. Had problems with speed - had to keep waiting for others to catch up.

Another problem if you make one - it won't be the last, probably end up with a dozen in the shed - I'm warning you now.....

For making I use a 19 - 20 mm thick plank and cut and laminate to get the required thickness as this saves a lot of wastage if you use a 2x4 chunk of timber.

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The edges need to be reasonably sharp, meaning not blunt or they don't work properly. Use a high or low stroke, just about vertical for speed and use like a Wing paddle, what they call the "cant" meaning the edge away from the hull is forward of the blade edge nearest you so it acts like a Wing as it sweeps away from your hull.

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Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:26 pm

Ended up doing a paddle with a random new face today that turned out to be Max. Small world, eh?
I have to say, the paddles he had with him are first class and immaculate in form and finish - I was almost embarrassed to use mine in the same water! But then he was slipping along in a gorgeous handbuilt kayak with hardly a ripple, whilst I just bulldozed my way through the water in the Phoenix :lol:

I confess, I am seriously considering purchasing one of his blades now.

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Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:02 pm

Never used one but they look cool and sound just as good, I'll have to try one in the Stealth one day :y:
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Had mine custom made last week by Tuakana customs out of hamilton. Love it ImageImage

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Flash bit of kit :y:
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Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:13 pm

Was affordable too. Love to meet up with someone else who has one and compare.

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Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:25 pm

..how they paddle i mean

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Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:28 pm

Yeah that looks beautiful. So how much is affordable ? :) and what weight is a standard fibreglass or aluminium paddle ?

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Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:04 pm

Lol he makes alot of waka ama paddles. As he had not made a greenland paddle before it was done as a trial and error experiment. If he is going to make them to order regularly i think they will cost around $350. Personally as i dont have the skills or time to make one myself id be happy to pay that. I looked online at getting a cusom one from overseas and they were more then that before shipping..which was ridiculous because of size :/

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I have not weighed it but it is far lighter then a standard viking paddle

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Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:19 am

very interested :y:

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Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:29 am

Sounds like a great price for the work involved. Tell him to burn in a fish measure too :y:

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Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:56 pm

piwikiwi wrote:Yeah that looks beautiful. So how much is affordable ? :) and what weight is a standard fibreglass or aluminium paddle ?
Mine cost me about $20, ~700 gram.
Fibreglass 1 - 1.5 kg.
Aluminium ~2 kg.

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Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:40 am

Rastayaka wrote:Lol he makes alot of waka ama paddles. As he had not made a greenland paddle before it was done as a trial and error experiment. If he is going to make them to order regularly i think they will cost around $350. Personally as i dont have the skills or time to make one myself id be happy to pay that. I looked online at getting a cusom one from overseas and they were more then that before shipping..which was ridiculous because of size :/

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that's seems a bloody good price to be fair.... I doubt that I'd ever use it, but I'm tempted to get one just to show it off !!
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