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YakFisho Snapps
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Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:53 pm

MadMike wrote:Out of interest, how many of you stealth guys have performed a speed test ? whats your cruise speed and whats your max etc, not assisted by wind or wave? and not a guestimate, be interested to see what the difference is, never really gauged mine properly just sort of assumed. Obviously someone with proper technique is going to benefit more than someone with poor technique.
The tests are accurate and stop watch timed , The speed tests were paddled by Brett his son who is also an ironman and competed in Australian ironman for 5 years . I found this chart particularly interesting as its accurate and gives us an accurate idea of what to expect from our skis and Kayaks .
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Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:40 pm

The advantage for me with glass over plastic is also the ability to fish areas I just couldn't get to unless I wanted to buy a boat, which I don't because kayak fishing is my thing. Over here because everyone lives on the one coast and in a relatively small area the inshore reefs say 1-5km offshore are fished heavily and although still produce good fish it's harder to have a day like you regularly see on KFNZ. With the glass ski's it makes getting out to the outer reefs at the 5-15km mark realistic as the paddle effort involved with a little training is very realistic.

What hairy little dwarf could do on glass boggles my mind.

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Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:53 pm

YakFisho Snapps wrote:
MadMike wrote:Out of interest, how many of you stealth guys have performed a speed test ? whats your cruise speed and whats your max etc, not assisted by wind or wave? and not a guestimate, be interested to see what the difference is, never really gauged mine properly just sort of assumed. Obviously someone with proper technique is going to benefit more than someone with poor technique.
The tests are accurate and stop watch timed , The speed tests were paddled by Brett his son who is also an ironman and competed in Australian ironman for 5 years . I found this chart particularly interesting as its accurate and gives us an accurate idea of what to expect from our skis and Kayaks .
Hmm so no comparison to plastic any where snaps? looks like the cruising speed is about 1.5km faster than me in a 4.3 but he would be a more efficient paddler than me so hard to tell, but then his tops speed is significantly faster, you didnt do any between your 400 and bfs snaps? Not being a smart ass here just trying to get a true perspective for people on the difference.
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Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:28 pm

A cruising speed of 8.6 kmph is awesome in my world, as with all kayak fishing its a personal thing and personally on my 4.3 prowler cruising without busting a gut my speed was around the 6kphm, I'm talking a speed and pace I could maintain for an hour or so. If I acheived a cruising speed of even 8kmph on a 495 I would be stoked. And its the effort required I've heard thats a real selling point for me, I have more fun when I not absolutely dead ringing nackered when I get in , puffing like a mongrel and legs like jelly.

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Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:18 pm

MadMike wrote:
YakFisho Snapps wrote:
MadMike wrote:Out of interest, how many of you stealth guys have performed a speed test ? whats your cruise speed and whats your max etc, not assisted by wind or wave? and not a guestimate, be interested to see what the difference is, never really gauged mine properly just sort of assumed. Obviously someone with proper technique is going to benefit more than someone with poor technique.
The tests are accurate and stop watch timed , The speed tests were paddled by Brett his son who is also an ironman and competed in Australian ironman for 5 years . I found this chart particularly interesting as its accurate and gives us an accurate idea of what to expect from our skis and Kayaks .
Hmm so no comparison to plastic any where snaps? looks like the cruising speed is about 1.5km faster than me in a 4.3 but he would be a more efficient paddler than me so hard to tell, but then his tops speed is significantly faster, you didnt do any between your 400 and bfs snaps? Not being a smart ass here just trying to get a true perspective for people on the difference.
Have done tests from speeds to hull thickness e.t.c but :x...But what Brett did say was this Some of the figures i have seen on the forum about speeds are really out to lunch and i know this by comparing my own times and speeds in K1s and TK1s and SLSA skis when i was racing and the plastic boats would not have come anywhere near these fast boats.

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Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:06 am

YakFisho Snapps wrote:
Have done tests from speeds to hull thickness e.t.c but :x...But what Brett did say was this Some of the figures i have seen on the forum about speeds are really out to lunch and i know this by comparing my own times and speeds in K1s and TK1s and SLSA skis when i was racing and the plastic boats would not have come anywhere near these fast boats.
Keep in mind with speeds that people are generally tracking it with GPS that is relatively dubious at the best of times with the sorts of speeds where doing in them, so no time trials or anything scientific like what they have done in SA with the stealth's and Pinnacles. I know we are doing a legitimate 7km/ hour in the 4.3 and sustaining it , doing our morning paddles distance on Gps Vs time taken to travel said distance (that said I wouldn't be able to at the moment, work is making me fat and lazy so need to get back to paddling every morning again), I Max out at 9.5km an hour and can only sustain for a couple of minutes before I roll off the side of the Kayak near dead from exhaustion lol. I guess the biggest difference I noticed in the glass over Plastic was you were not (as) stuffed at that end of the paddle.
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Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:33 am

MadMike wrote:
YakFisho Snapps wrote:
Have done tests from speeds to hull thickness e.t.c but :x...But what Brett did say was this Some of the figures i have seen on the forum about speeds are really out to lunch and i know this by comparing my own times and speeds in K1s and TK1s and SLSA skis when i was racing and the plastic boats would not have come anywhere near these fast boats.
Keep in mind with speeds that people are generally tracking it with GPS that is relatively dubious at the best of times with the sorts of speeds where doing in them, so no time trials or anything scientific like what they have done in SA with the stealth's and Pinnacles. I know we are doing a legitimate 7km/ hour in the 4.3 and sustaining it , doing our morning paddles distance on Gps Vs time taken to travel said distance (that said I wouldn't be able to at the moment, work is making me fat and lazy so need to get back to paddling every morning again), I Max out at 9.5km an hour and can only sustain for a couple of minutes before I roll off the side of the Kayak near dead from exhaustion lol. I guess the biggest difference I noticed in the glass over Plastic was you were not (as) stuffed at that end of the paddle.
It would make an interesting test to see what the speed difference is on a lake to reduce other factors that affect speed. Would be a good location to test a plastic against glass. At least you'll get a good basic comparison (yeah i know a lake is not the sea so is not the best comparison but its the easiest way to mitigate different factors during a test). :geek:

Out of interest why is the 465 so much more unstable than the 495?
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Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:06 am

Its narrower. has a lesser volume, Its not that it's unstable just its primary stability is a lot twitchier. That said knowing the guy that has the 465 up here that loves it that Snapps is referring to he paddle Lenzmans one and thought it was a lot twitchier than the one he owns. Possibly different versions? Who knows.
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