On that day in 1939

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Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:01 pm

On this day in 1939 Genevieve De Colmont, first woman to run the Colorado and live to tell of it, completed her trip.
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She could lie in that thing sideways :lol:
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:10 pm

Bit of history there. Interesting the paddle is even feathered with water drip rings on the shaft :D
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:37 pm

Yaktofish wrote:Bit of history there. Interesting the paddle is even feathered with water drip rings on the shaft :D
That's the problem, they are feathered and way too long - typical North American though the problem originated in Europe.

The kayak is probably a 2 seat Klepper folding.

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Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:58 pm

Those who took part in the expedition were -

Bernard de Colmont, Antoine de Seynes, Geneviève de Colmont

http://www.utahadvjournal.com/index.php ... ty-of-1938" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Note the trip was supposedly October & November 1938.

http://www.frenchkayakfilm.com/ian-uncovers-the-story/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...three French took kayaks and beer down the river in 1938.

Book (English & French versions) -

Author: Colmont, Bernard de
Title: Trois Français en kayak sur le Colorado : voyage sur le Green River et le Colorado

Title: Three kayaks down the Colorado River : voyage on the Green River and the Colorado River
Author: Bernard de Colmont, Antoine de Seynes, Geneviève de Colmont.
Publisher: [France : S.n. : 1938]

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Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:48 pm

1939 and she keeps her sun glasses, Ali!! Where did I go wrong ? :$
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AntN wrote:1939 and she keeps her sun glasses, Ali!! Where did I go wrong ? :$
Look mate, give it another go
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:09 pm

8) Here you go -

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Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:45 am

YakSolo - why "On This Day"?

The trip finished 9 November 1938.

Sea Kayaker, Dec. 1996, Vol. 13, No. 5. pages 70-76. Article first printed in Utah Historical Quarterly.

Most of the trip was on the Green River with some on the Colorado until the weather got too cold (ice blocks floating down the river, having to melt their drinking water each morning). Obviously if too cold by November, it is only going to get worse as winter comes on.

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Mac50L wrote:YakSolo - why "On This Day"?

The trip finished 9 November 1938.

Sea Kayaker, Dec. 1996, Vol. 13, No. 5. pages 70-76. Article first printed in Utah Historical Quarterly.

Most of the trip was on the Green River with some on the Colorado until the weather got too cold (ice blocks floating down the river, having to melt their drinking water each morning). Obviously if too cold by November, it is only going to get worse as winter comes on.
Someone must have got the dates wrong on the other forum ;) I have changed the title to "On that day in 1939" :lol:
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:33 am

YakSolo_333 wrote:Someone must have got the dates wrong on the other forum ;) I have changed the title to "On that day in 1939" :lol:
Even that doesn't make sense if it was actually 1938, NOT 1939. They were back home in France before Christmas.

Interesting to do a follow-up and the paddling to escape the Germans a few years later.

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Mac50L wrote:
YakSolo_333 wrote:Someone must have got the dates wrong on the other forum ;) I have changed the title to "On that day in 1939" :lol:
Even that doesn't make sense if it was actually 1938, NOT 1939. They were back home in France before Christmas.

Interesting to do a follow-up and the paddling to escape the Germans a few years later.
And when you do the follow up please make sure it is accurate and correct.
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:32 pm

So when did the first man do it? Or was she the first person?
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:49 pm

MikeAqua wrote:So when did the first man do it? Or was she the first person?
We're talking kayaks here, not a dory which I believe had done the Colorado previously (to be confirmed).

The French trio did a lot of the Green River and a bit of the Colorado. Note the Green runs into the Colorado.

I'd suggest you download and read The River Chasers here (free download PDF 19MB) -

http://www.theriverchasers.com/theriverchasers_007.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is a little bit of it -

"In 1932, Fred Launer and Dr. Charles Plummer of Salt Lake City kayaked
the Green in Utah in a foldboat. The next year, Harold H. Leich of Wash-
ington, D.C., attempted to paddle the Grand Canyon. Although having pre-
viously paddled much of the Colorado starting at Grand Lake in Colorado,
Leich destroyed his foldboat in Big Drop Rapid and ended up swimming to
Hite where he walked out to Hanksville, Utah."

Though it says th French trio ran both rivers, they didn't, they only ran parts
(see Sea Kayaker article previously mentioned) -

"As word spread about the rivers of the Colorado plateau with vast stretches
of wilderness and whitewater, foldboaters from both the East and Europe
traveled to run the Colorado River and its tributaries. Three French nation-
als from the Paris Museum of Natural History became the first to run the
Colorado and Green Rivers in foldboats, and Genevieve de Colmont, the
first woman. Antoine de Seynes, Bernard de Colmont, and Genevieve de Col-
mont brought their 15-foot foldboats to America to kayak unaided and with-
out support down the Green and Colorado Rivers in Utah, in the summer
of 1938. The trip started in southern Wyoming in September and reached
Jensen, Utah, the first week of October. They ran all the drops with the
exception of Big Drop in Cataract Canyon recording the trip on film as they
went. They were eventually stopped by ice but reached Phantom Ranch in
the Grand Canyon. [waited 3 weeks and gave up 9 Nov]
All three were experienced kayakers having run rivers in
Europe including a trip on the Nile. They were confident in their skills and
wore helmets in the drops, unlike their American counterparts. The trip was
Bernard’s and Genevieve’s honeymoon."

"In 1938, W. Stewart “Stu” Gardiner, a young man from Salt Lake City,
purchased a two-seater Folbot and began plans to run the Green River. Unable
to convince any of his friends to join him, Gardiner made a solo run in
October down the Green through Flaming Gorge to Split Mountain Canyon
taking out at Jensen. The next year in September, Gardiner made a second run
on the Green, but this time was joined by Alexander “Zee” Grant, Jr. of AMC.
The following year, in 1940, Grant ran the Middle Fork of the Salmon along
with two of his friends, Rodney Aller and Coleman T. Nimick, each paddling
his own foldboat. Aller, an accomplished skier, already had a reputation as one
of the most “expert river rats” in the East. Nimick, on the other hand, had
virtually no previous river experience. Except for breaking paddles, and, for
Nimick, a pin toward the end of the trip, their unaided mid-August trip was
a success."

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Rowing the Rivers ("The River Chasers" by Susan Taft)

"In 1869, and again in 1871–1872, Powell
began a systematic and scientific survey of the
Colorado River drainage starting on
In 1869, and again in 1871–1872, Powell
began a systematic and scientific survey of the
Colorado River drainage starting on the Green
in Green River, Wyoming. Powell’s 1869 expe-
dition was partially funded by the Illinois Nat-
ural History Society but the 1871 expedition
was sponsored by the U.S. government. The
precedent and tradition of rowing a boat on big
water instead of paddling was established with
Powell who designed the boats for the expedi-
tions and they were designed to be rowed. His
design was based on his experience of rivers of
the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys with strong
currents but with no rocks or obstacles obstruct-
ing the main flow. The design was round-bot-
tomed with fairly deep draft and intended for
two oarsmen to face upstream and row while a
steersman steered from the stern. The idea was
that the speed provided by the oarsmen would
assist the sternman in steering. Only one boat
was lost on the 1869 expedition that ended at
the mouth of the Virgin River, now under Lake
Mead. The remaining boats survived the Colo-
rado’s treacherous and unexplored canyons and
gorges. For the second trip in 1871, three new
boats were built of the same design, but with
a compartment amidships for buoyancy and
cargo. Scholars questioned Powell’s choice of
men on the second trip because he already knew
the nature of the river. They thought he should
have included French-Canadian voyageurs who
knew river running and had the skills to handle
the rivers.

With the rowing tradition established, hunt-
ers, trappers, and prospectors like Nathaniel
Galloway of Vernal, Utah, and Bert Loper of
Hite, Utah, began rowing the rivers and can-
yons of the Colorado and its tributaries in the
1880’s. Galloway designed and built lightweight
cataract boats that revolutionized river running
with oars.

Galloway was the first to use the technique
of rowing into the drops and the first to actually
run many of the big drops. Prior to Galloway,
many portaged the drops. Galloway’s boat was
greatly admired and in 1907, he was hired by
Julius Stone to build four boats and serve as
a guide on the rivers. This was the beginning
of what would lead to the western tradition
of commercial river running where boatmen
rowed and catered to their guests. By the 1930’s,
the first commercial river trips were run on
the Green, Yampa, and Colorado Rivers in
Utah and the Salmon River in Idaho, among
others.the Green
in Green River, Wyoming. Powell’s 1869 expe-
dition was partially funded by the Illinois Nat-
ural History Society but the 1871 expedition
was sponsored by the U.S. government. The
precedent and tradition of rowing a boat on big
water instead of paddling was established with
Powell who designed the boats for the expedi-
tions and they were designed to be rowed. His
design was based on his experience of rivers of
the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys with strong
currents but with no rocks or obstacles obstruct-
ing the main flow. The design was round-bot-
tomed with fairly deep draft and intended for
two oarsmen to face upstream and row while a
steersman steered from the stern. The idea was
that the speed provided by the oarsmen would
assist the sternman in steering. Only one boat
was lost on the 1869 expedition that ended at
the mouth of the Virgin River, now under Lake
Mead. The remaining boats survived the Colo-
rado’s treacherous and unexplored canyons and
gorges. For the second trip in 1871, three new
boats were built of the same design, but with
a compartment amidships for buoyancy and
cargo. Scholars questioned Powell’s choice of
men on the second trip because he already knew
the nature of the river. They thought he should
have included French-Canadian voyageurs who
knew river running and had the skills to handle
the rivers."

"With the rowing tradition established, hunt-
ers, trappers, and prospectors like Nathaniel
Galloway of Vernal, Utah, and Bert Loper of
Hite, Utah, began rowing the rivers and can-
yons of the Colorado and its tributaries in the
1880’s. Galloway designed and built lightweight
cataract boats that revolutionized river running
with oars....."

"Galloway was the first to use the technique
of rowing into the drops and the first to actually
run many of the big drops. Prior to Galloway,
many portaged the drops. Galloway’s boat was
greatly admired and in 1907, he was hired by
Julius Stone to build four boats and serve as
a guide on the rivers. This was the beginning
of what would lead to the western tradition
of commercial river running where boatmen
rowed and catered to their guests. By the 1930’s,
the first commercial river trips were run on
the Green, Yampa, and Colorado Rivers in
Utah and the Salmon River in Idaho, among
others."

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