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brent82
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Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:35 am

Got to paddle the kraken and Cuda12 for the first time today in the whangarei Harbour it was windy and choppy they handled really good even with no rudders on them the kraken was outstanding very good stability straight through the chop and tracked very well the seat is very comfortable and with the lumber support will be awesome on the long days on the water with the the seat it may look like your up high but your bum is only about 30mm of the deck of the kayak and at no point you feel that you will roll out and your dry at the end of it :)

The Cuda12 is very stable stood straight up with the wind and chop coming through just have to site down properly and not lean to the side like I did and roll out :) it was funny but very happy with both kayaks can't wait to get out again. Next mission tomorrow is finish the rudder installs and put the live bait tank on and do the fish finder etc will post photos tomorrow of the set ups.

Any questions fell free to ask :)
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Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:33 pm

Good way to learn how to do re entries though aye Brent :x
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Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:45 pm

MadMike wrote:Good way to learn how to do re entries though aye Brent :x

Haha yeah it is :D it was funny
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Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:20 pm

Got the plumbing done for the bait tank and stated on the wiring and the fish finder :)
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Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:03 pm

Was good to catch up with you mate the other day, they look good and a fish won't be far away to catch a few fish :y:...

brent82
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Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:08 pm

All finished just have to take the kraken out and test the pump for the bait tank :)
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Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:31 pm

Question if I may...
Photo 7... LH of the bottom two photos..

Does that centre hatch opening go right into the hull ?
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brent82
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Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:37 pm

Hainesy wrote:Question if I may...
Photo 7... LH of the bottom two photos..

Does that centre hatch opening go right into the hull ?
Hey hainesy yeah it dose you can put this in it :)
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:21 pm

brent82 wrote:
Hainesy wrote:Does that centre hatch opening go right into the hull ?
Hey hainesy yeah it dose you can put this in it :)
Isn't that a bit of a concern? Or does it have bulkheads?

brent82
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:24 pm

Hawk wrote:
brent82 wrote:
Hainesy wrote:Does that centre hatch opening go right into the hull ?
Hey hainesy yeah it dose you can put this in it :)
Isn't that a bit of a concern? Or does it have bulkheads?
hey hawk
it's not a concern Jim Sammons and the other Jackson kayak fishing teams through the world fishes in this kayak all the time on open water in all conditions and it has nothing but positive feed back so to your question no it doesn't have bulkheads it's full open to the hull to put your catch in.
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:56 pm

Oh if only we still had PaddleSnap around... :P
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:10 pm

Mental wrote:Oh if only we still had PaddleSnap around... :P
:rofl: ..never thought I'd miss him ...sometimes !
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:47 pm

They come with a bucket tackle tray??? couldn't you just glue it in if you want??

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Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:14 pm

Winch wrote:They come with a bucket tackle tray??? couldn't you just glue it in if you want??
Exactly what we did at JO with the Tetra, there was no way I was going to launch an open hulled kayak on to the NZ market...

Of course if they had a drop in UteBox... ;)
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:10 am

brent82 wrote:it's not a concern Jim Sammons and the other Jackson kayak fishing teams through the world fishes in this kayak all the time on open water in all conditions and it has nothing but positive feed back so to your question no it doesn't have bulkheads it's full open to the hull to put your catch in.
Umm.... so it's not a concern because Jim Sammons said so?

I'm sorry, but you're going to need considerably better rationale than that to launch (pun intended) this Kraken into the NZ surf (i.e. not Auckland ponds) with an open hull.

I think I do miss PaddleSnap (bless him) at times like this too...
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Winch wrote:They come with a bucket tackle tray??? couldn't you just glue it in if you want??
Exactly what we did at JO with the Tetra, there was no way I was going to launch an open hulled kayak on to the NZ market...
Yep. Madness.

brent82
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:58 am

Here is a little video not here in New Zealand water as the kraken has only just landed here and im still testing it out

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Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:16 am

brent82 wrote:Here is a little video not here in New Zealand water as the kraken has only just landed here and im still testing it out
Not sure what this proves. I guess the video ended when the Kayak was full of water, and couldn't be righted, let alone paddled.

I'm not trying to pick on you, I just think Jackson need to be very realistic about entering the NZ market with a dangerous boat. I say dangerous, because the style of craft (length, speed etc) enables people to push their limits. If something happens out at sea (imagine if Kerry/Limitless owned one of these!) when you are 10+km from land, she's a looooong way home.

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Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:32 am

Hawk wrote:
brent82 wrote:it's not a concern Jim Sammons and the other Jackson kayak fishing teams through the world fishes in this kayak all the time on open water in all conditions and it has nothing but positive feed back so to your question no it doesn't have bulkheads it's full open to the hull to put your catch in.
Umm.... so it's not a concern because Jim Sammons said so?

I'm sorry, but you're going to need considerably better rationale than that to launch (pun intended) this Kraken into the NZ surf (i.e. not Auckland ponds) with an open hull.

I think I do miss PaddleSnap (bless him) at times like this too...
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Winch wrote:They come with a bucket tackle tray??? couldn't you just glue it in if you want??
Exactly what we did at JO with the Tetra, there was no way I was going to launch an open hulled kayak on to the NZ market...
Yep. Madness.
Fill your center hatch on the Pinnacle with water. because its the same scenario that your insinuating. now go see how well it paddles. I had the same thing happen on the 495 where I took a wave over the Bow ( a big wave ) and it half filled the hatch. The comparison would be a rodeo ride if there's a decent swell around. So yes you wont sink but you sure as hell cant paddle anywhere!

99% of people don't fish in conditions where this would be an issue. And if people are going to paddle in total crap then you would expect they have the expertise to be doing it....

I had a kayak with Bulk heads. it got a leak not through a hatch and filled the rear compartment very quickly. you couldn't paddle it at all. one leg each side of the kayak and it was like a slippery log. it happened in a matter of seconds and was flat calm through a failed scupper. I was lucky I was not far from land and had mate around that were there to help. I still get called the yellow submarine :P
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:33 am

Sorry guys, if you were talking about the Old Town Predator 13, then I'd share your concern, but not what I can see of the Kraken.

I mentioned my experience with a center hatch and water in the cockpit here - http://www.kayakfishingnz.com/forum/vie ... ilit=drama . The hatch on the Predator 13 is pretty low though and because I was overloaded and the one-way scupper plugs weren't letting water out that hatch went under water long before the rest of the kayak couldn't handle extra weight - no stability issues or anything.
As it happens it took 10-15 minutes (guessing) to get back to shore and when I opened the hatch, despite being completely under water all that time, there wasn't any water in the hull. Great seal, but of course that's not something to rely on.

Mental, I think you told me that JO sold a few Predators before handing everything over to Cameron Sports. Has the same issue as the Tetra.

I don't think that's true of the Kraken though. Looks to me like the center hatch is just about same height as the side walls.
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If your concern is that some waves might splash over a hatch at any height on a kayak, well then all the OK and Viking kayaks (and I'm sure all kayaks) have the same problem with any hatch anywhere. Might be true that you don't want to open that hatch or leave it open in questionable conditions, but that's all.
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:15 am

FatherOfMany wrote:Mental, I think you told me that JO sold a few Predators before handing everything over to Cameron Sports. Has the same issue as the Tetra.
We weren't in control at the end... I think the one yellow demo kayak we had at the Boat Show sold through the factory shop and the four or five others all went to Camerons if I remember correctly so I assume they are floating around somewhere...
FatherOfMany wrote:I don't think that's true of the Kraken though. Looks to me like the center hatch is just about same height as the side walls.
Good point, haven't seen one in the flesh yet, so yes it may be the saving grace :y:
FatherOfMany wrote:If your concern is that some waves might splash over a hatch at any height on a kayak, well then all the OK and Viking kayaks (and I'm sure all kayaks) have the same problem with any hatch anywhere. Might be true that you don't want to open that hatch or leave it open in questionable conditions, but that's all.
I fully agree and hence why this NZ made kayak carries this message on the safety graphic >
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