John Dory Fishing ~ How do you rig a live bait?

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Epicskwid
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Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:42 pm

Over the course of the taranaki classic i was live baiting for JD's , I lost 7 hookups.
Just wondering what i was doing wrong.
I was using a 1 hook ledger with either a 4/0 or 5/0 J hook.
A Mackerel 10 -20cm
I had my drag set light so the dory could swim away and eat the bait. gave them 15- 30 seconds depending on how much line they were taking
Most of the fish i lost on the way up .
Was i doing anything wrong? :D Dam frustrating to lose that many
And how do you guys do it??
-Hook size / Type
-Hook Position in the bait
-Time you give for the fish to eat the bait
-Any other tips greatly appreciated

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Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:06 pm

Sounds like the hook has caused too much damage to their soft mouth, causing the hook to fall out when there is too much slack. I would recommend to keep the rod movement as smooth as possible. Apart from that it sounds like what you're doing is right. :y:

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Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:26 pm

To me it doesn't sound like the hook was ever actually hooked on the fish, more like the fish just holding the bait. I'd look at using a larger hook and would also still have a smooth easy strike to set the hook. Once hooked play gently gently for sure but you need that hook finding some part of the JDs mouth to me sounds like you've gone to softly and not got the hook home.

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Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:19 am

Where are you positioning the hook in the bait?
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Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:28 am

Try a 6 circle hook mate

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Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:57 am

Agree. Replace the j hook for a circle.

I find the mustad demon light gauge circled work well size 7 or 8 rigged through the nose
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Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:20 am

Yea demons are my favorite, they have a high percentage hook up rate

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Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:24 am

Thank you for all the replies, i hit two of the runs quite hard and then lost them after, so i switched to a softer strike after that, I might have played the fish too soft on the way up when they wanted to take line i let them have it. Livies were hooked through the shoulder.
Back to big circle hooks i think after the responses, the mouth of the JD just looks so hard to get a good clean hook set into like you can with other species.
I won't get another chance to fish for them for months as hawkes bay has a very low population so hopefully i'll get another chance to target them again.
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3.2kg Kahawai - Hawkes Bay Port
2.1kg Trevally - Taylors Bay Mahia
35cm Tarakihi - Whangawehi Mahia

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Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:09 pm

Try the hook through the nose as they tend to eat them head first
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Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:10 pm

Circle hooks and put the hook through the back of the mack at a 45 degree angle like the big angry fish guys do for kingfish. Should hook in the jaw then just keep steady pressure on. Keep trying different ways but it looks like most are using circles now
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