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A ship of Phil's
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:43 pm

The rudders on the Tornado are fixed and work well. And the Guinea Pigs are still alive.

I have finally got back to the kayak, glassed the inside of the hulls.
First with glass tape over the joins, and the a layer of glass over everything.

Next I installed a bulkhead 3m back from the bow, which will form the back of the cockpit.
From here in it is all custom work, as the modifications to the width render the plans useless, and my ideas also differ greatly from the sit in design.
I am firstly going to make templates out of cardboard, and then ply.
This way I can ensure a good fit.

I am aiming to get the rear deck on including a well.
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A ship of Phil's
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:57 pm

After repairing my Tornado rudders again, boat shows and lots of thinking, I have finally got back on to the kayak.
Due to the modifications to the design, the plans no longer provide the measurements for the deck panels, plus the additional features like the well and the central storage well aren't in the design, so I have to measure and design the panels myself.

I have measured from the central string to the sides, every 300mm, and have used this to make cardboard templates of the panels.
This allows me to see if they will fit, and also how it looks.

I have now started to cut the ply and now have to figure out how to fit all together :headbang: :headbang: , and then fitting it all to the hull.
I am currently thinking of doing the CLC method.
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centreline string for taking measurements
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Central bulkhead
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Cardboard template of deck panels
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Cardboard template of the stern well
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Gilly
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:01 pm

Looking good 8) How big is that tank well gonna be? it looks massive.

A ship of Phil's
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:06 pm

it will be 540mm wide at the back of the cockpit, and 100mm deep.
Also 1100mm long. Planning for the big kingfish I'm hoping to catch. :(

I may shorten it once I get a bit further along with the build.
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Mac50L
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Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:05 pm

Decks - if you make them curved (across the hull) they will have greater strength and be very simple to size. Measure the width in a few places and add at least 10, maybe 20 mm on each side. Simply curve the deck sheet over the hull, stapling down into the sheerclamp (what!!!! you haven't got one?) and wrapping a few tie-downs, webbing straps etc. with wedges under them to add to the tension. After the epoxy is dry, simply cut off the excess with a panel (hand) saw.

Note that I'd also add a few deckbeams before fitting the deck. These are 20 x 20 mm timber (radiata) cut to 3 layers (each layer is now just under 6 mm thick). These are wrapped over a curved former when being glued. There will be a little spring-back so allow for this if the curve is critical or cut your bulkheads to the curve your laminated deckbeams end up with.

A ship of Phil's
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Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:11 am

I have just added sheerclamps to the rear section behind the bulkhead.
Cut to length and then clamped and glued into place. They were easy to fit.
The bulkhead is cut to fit a flat panel, and I have also cut the deck panels.
But I like the idea of the rounded deck, and may still go that way.
I will need the make some deck beams, butt join the deck panels together, and hope everything still fits.
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Mac50L
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Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:00 pm

A ship of Phil's wrote:I have just added sheerclamps to the rear section behind the bulkhead.
I glue mine to the sides before mounting the sides. When buying timber I hold up one end of each of the lengths, the other ends on the floor, and buy a pair that have similar droop. I mark them so I know which way up they were matching. That means they have equal stiffness and after gluing to the entire length of the sides, the sides should have equal stiffness in their bend.
The bulkhead is cut to fit a flat panel, and I have also cut the deck panels.
You could glue a piece against the bulkhead with a curved top or cut straight across the bulkhead at deck level and add a piece on top with a curved top. As for the deck panels, butt join, lying them on the floor, with a narrow strip of glass along the join on the outside side. Though curved they will be a little short but that could be taken up by cutting back on the top outside of the side panels and sheerclamp and you'd end up with a nice (tight) curved side to deck join. Alternative would be to lower the deck in the middle so the panels would stretch over the distance.

What ever you do, a deck beam or two might strengthen everything. Admittedly it depends on the deck ply thickness how much strengthening would be needed or recommended.

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Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:23 am

Have the sheercamps fitted and planed down to allow the fitting of the rear deck.
Planning a mega kayak building weekend, hopefully getting the rear deck completed and the forward deck and cockpit started.

I have decided to get some Carbon tube for my scupper holes. - A bit of Bing :devil:
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A ship of Phil's
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Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:42 pm

photos of the sheerclamps.
I cut a small step at each end to ensure they positioned correctly, and I then lightly clamped the middle.
I followed up with more clamps from the stern working towards the bow every 20cm's or so.
It came together very easily. I was expecting a major battle to get them on.

Deck this weekend - hopefully, as I may go fishing on Sat. morning.
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sheerclamps from the stern
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Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:05 pm

keep the photos coming and good luck for the maiden voyage.
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Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:00 pm

As it always seem to turn out, did lots of other things and not much kayak building.
Did manage to do some work on the rear well, which should be starting to take shape by the end of the week.
Photos to come once there is something to see.
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Mac50L
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:42 pm

You mention clamps on the sheerclamp when gluing it on.

I fitted the sides to my latest kayak (couple of years ago) after I thought I'd given the epoxy enough time to dry. Warm day and fitted late afternoon having glued them in the morning. Obviously not a warm enough day as the epoxy was still soft. I clamped the sheerclamp on both sides. That means 50 or more clamps (I should look at the photos). Those cheap little ones looking like welding clamps but in plastic would have done. About $5 for 3. That's something over $80 !!!!!

Fortunately being a cheapskate my clamps cost nothing. Use 2" or 3" diameter plastic pipe, cut about 20 mm long sections. Now cut across the ring and you have a "C" clamp. Tension is variable by making the Cs longer or shorter. You don't need too much clamp pressure with epoxy and fitting clamps with a 5 mm gap between them will hold really firmly.

A ship of Phil's
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:10 am

The rear well has been fabricated, and fitted into the rear deck. Everything is now starting to look like a kayak.
I am going to try super gluing the panels together, remove the wire, and then epoxy and fillet together.
Also need another deck beam behind the well, plus re-enforcing for a carry handle, and some tubes for the rudder cables.

I have got some carbon tube ($12) for my scupper holes, and will be looking at using carbon for the rudder cable tubes, if I can find some the right size.
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Rear Well
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sitting on hull
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:23 pm

As you so rightly say it is starting to look like a kayak.You must be pleased.I love watching DIY projects coming together.Keep up the woodwork and keep the pictures coming.
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Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:39 am

With work and now a new horse in the family :clap: :clap: , work on the Yak has slowed down ;( ;( .
The deck is coming along slowly and I am slowly working out how to do the cockpit area.
More photos once I have something to show.

Merry Christmas to everyone.
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Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:15 pm

:rock: :rock: :rock:
this is the coolest diy project I have ever seen,
as a matter of interest financially how does this compare with the stealth that you had a look at???
im most impressed with both the wood and glass work and i may have just been inspired to fashion one of my own
keep up the great work
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Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:06 pm

I'm back to focusing on the Kayak. The last month has seen me working on my Tornado Catamaran. That's now finished and the Kayak is back on the agenda. I spent today working on the seat area, working out the sizes of the different panels, and how to get them to fit together. The bottom of the seating area is 80mm off the hull of the kayak, and then I will build it up with foam as I need.
I have fitted the rear deck temporary to the hull, to allow the forming of the cockpit area. Once done, I will need to remove again and build said cockpit out of ply, and then fit it all back in again.
Once that is done, then it is building the central well, and fitting the forward deck, plus glassing and sanding and painting and everything else.
Should be done by Christmas, but that's what I said last year.

Cost wise it should work out cheaper, as long as I don't factor in my time costs.
and it should work out lighter, and with the features I want.
And it's building these extra features that is taking the time.
I would recommend building it because you want to build a kayak, not just for the cost saving.
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Forming the seat
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Stern deck temp fitting
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Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:33 pm

A ship of Phil's wrote:I would recommend building it because you want to build a kayak, not just for the cost saving.
I couldn't agree more; but I loved the entire process ... and am actually a little dissappointed now I don't have mine to work on.
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A ship of Phil's
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:31 am

The seat area is slowly coming together with the templates.
Once the footwell is completed, I will pull it all out again and rebuild in 4 and 6mm ply.
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A bit more done
IMG244.jpg
From behind
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A ship of Phil's
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Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:32 am

I have been concerned about the seating placement and height, given I had no plans for this part of the yak. So I decided to take the hull for a quick paddle to test everything out to see how the different positions of seating effected the trim and stability.

No photos, but everything felt good and has given me the confidence to carry on with my plans.
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